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Marvel comes out with a Pride and Prejudice comic.
Also? Annie Wersching (Renee Walker on 24) has gotta be one of the cutest fangirls of 24 ever. Apparently while she was filming scenes with Mary-lynn and Carlos, she would internally freak out about how she was "talking to Chloe and Tony." Also, she flew back to her hometown and hired out a local theater for all her friends and family to watch the premiere of 24. She even got a bunch of the cast and crew to say hello wherein you can see her acting like a kid in a candy store (one cast spoiler in that video, btw. It's out there in the media already, but just fair warning for the spoiler phobes.)
Anyway, I find Wersching's fangirl ways somewhat hilarious and totally endearing, which is great because it's nice that my favorite new character on 24 isn't played by a total jerk. Not that the cast of 24 isn't awesome, but it can happen. And I really like Renee's character. I can't figure out why just yet, but I do. Maybe it's because she's like the female counterpart to S1!Jack. Or maybe she's more like S1!Tony. I don't know, what do you think?
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Also? Annie Wersching (Renee Walker on 24) has gotta be one of the cutest fangirls of 24 ever. Apparently while she was filming scenes with Mary-lynn and Carlos, she would internally freak out about how she was "talking to Chloe and Tony." Also, she flew back to her hometown and hired out a local theater for all her friends and family to watch the premiere of 24. She even got a bunch of the cast and crew to say hello wherein you can see her acting like a kid in a candy store (one cast spoiler in that video, btw. It's out there in the media already, but just fair warning for the spoiler phobes.)
Anyway, I find Wersching's fangirl ways somewhat hilarious and totally endearing, which is great because it's nice that my favorite new character on 24 isn't played by a total jerk. Not that the cast of 24 isn't awesome, but it can happen. And I really like Renee's character. I can't figure out why just yet, but I do. Maybe it's because she's like the female counterpart to S1!Jack. Or maybe she's more like S1!Tony. I don't know, what do you think?
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That's why he was so vulnerable to Emerson, because he'd lost Michelle which killed him and then he lost the only mooring he had left. But he was also dead! And therefore...kinda lost everyone.
DUDE YES. Seriously WTF Heller? That makes me question every description of Heller as a nice or upright guy WTF? Lets not forget he also had his daughter tied up to keep her from following him to Logan's and he'd ordered his own son tortured - even before the worst 'I'm not straight' experience ever. To be fair, he wasn't SoS, he was SoD but he wasn't even that by end of day five. I've been telling friends, I want evil!Heller this year, because I think that's the only way I can make his total not that much caring about his daughter being magically still alive make sense. It seemed like he KNEW Audrey wasn't dead. He was happy to have her back, but he knew she was always alive.
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But he was also dead! And therefore...kinda lost everyone.
I do find it telling that Jack automatically assumed that Tony would go undercover to expose his operation. Tony was "dead" but he did have a choice in the matter. He could have gone deep undercover. But he didn't. He chose to be the bad guy and do "pretty bad things." At least until they reached that line that even Tony couldn't cross. Tony's story arc over the seasons is just as tragic as Jack's- and it goes back to what you pointed out upthread. The ones who toe the line eventually break (either dying or breaking completely) while the ones who bend, survive but only barely so because they constantly live in the darkness. There's not a happy choice at all.
You know a lot of people were complaing about how S7 seems to be recycling of a lot of storylines of past season, but I can't help but think they're doing it on purpose. If this season is supposed to be about the Redemption of Jack Bauer, since they can't do it in a Senate hearing, they're doing it by bringing up things that specifically remind us of what he's done in the past.
For example Jack had to shoot someone for the sake of the mission- does Renee become like S1!Nina or like S3!Chappelle? Jack's crossed a lot of lines, with tone set by the Senate hearing in the first episode, by having these similar situations come up this way, Jack gets another chance to do things differently (or not). It forces both the character and audience to reaffirm or redraw certain lines around Jack, and in doing so, he's being redefined. I sort of love the way they're doing it, because it's really clever. (And for this reason I'm really glad that a certain someone is showing up so he can make right that part of his life).
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That's *so* true - but why would he choose to go undercover after all, there's nothing left "outside". This reminds me how I used to think of "Pressure" by Billy Joel as Tony's s3 song in a way. But I don't think Tony is a good example of toeing the line and breaking, as he started going off book all the way back in s1.
I think this season has so many amazing parallels to the past too. I didn't think of that reason. I kinda think they're doing all this now to really change up the game later in the day when darkness falls. I kinda hope Renee doesn't become like either of those and instead opts for staying alive an' not evil!
Yes, it's like Jack didn't miss Christmas after all.
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"but why would he choose to go undercover after all, there's nothing left "outside".
Because he's Tony, and he's supposed to know right from wrong. He's cut of the same cloth as Jack (and Michelle and Bill and Chloe), who can't help but offer up their services if it means taking down the bad guy. He's not supposed to be a bad guy or do bad things for selfish reason, except he was and he did, until recently. And now he's in as much need for redemption than Jack, even more so.
True. Maybe I should amend my statement then and say that Tony didn't toe the line, but he didn't want to continue bending the rules either and that's what got him in trouble. I think that deep down, Tony was always more reluctant to go off book than Jack. In the first couple seasons, Tony took a mostly passive role, covering for Jack or gathering intel for him while Jack did the really crazy stuff. Jack always seemed to be the one the one convincing him, you know? So at the first opportunity to bail, he tried to pull himself and Michelle out of that life of choosing between a rock and a hard place.
Except that's the thing. Once you're in as far deep as Tony was (doing the stuff he did for Michelle, helping Jack bend the rules), you're in it forever. You don't get to pull out of the game. So you either continue to function like Jack or somehow you become collateral damage. Which is what happened to Michelle and should have happened to Tony, if not for the reviving thing. Instead Tony is forced back into the world of hard choices, and as a result, he broke.
Renee can't be evil, I've decided. They'd have to retcon and explain why Debaku, Nichols, and the "contact at the Bureau" wanted to kill her off when it was confirmed she didn't have info beyond the stuff Tanner told her. And that's just too much work. As to her possibly dying? She already got shot in the neck and didn't die. She already had her almost!dead moment, and she's not Teri. (Although weird that she's looks a lot like Leslie Hope, no? Or is that just me?)
I think if I keep chanting this to myself, it will happen and she'll survive beyond S7.
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Tony totally needs redemption. Can we volunteer to help? He could teach underprivileged kids! Or uh, he and Jack could go open a school in Africa or Afghanistan or something!
Yes, that's totally true. I remember in s3 thinking, how the hell did Jack get Tony to go along with this insane half-baked doomed to failure plan? I think Tony thought he had a better sense of right and wrong, at least in s1. It's when the definitions started shifting that there was trouble.
You're right of course, and that they left and before they left helped fake someone's death which made them bound for life even further. Tony made the mistake of thinking you could get out of the game by taking your ball and going home. But the bad guys follow afterward, especially when you never got rid of any of the conspiracy that's been lurking for seasons. It's not just hard choices, it's that Tony doesn't do very well alone, I mean in s4 he had Jen which was sorta an obvious 'I can't be alone' cry for help.
YES. She so does. I remember looking at promo pics and going omg she has Teri's look here - enough that I almost fanwanked she was her baby sister.
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Aww, and here I had successfully suppressed Jen from my memory. Gah.
I wonder if I would be shipping them more if I had seen AW's picture and made the "OMG she looks like Teri, shoots like Nina, and acts like Michelle, of course Jack is going to fall for her" leap. So far, there's great chemistry between them, but I don't know if they're going in the romantic direction. It will be interesting to see if they decide to make Larry's clear romantic feelings for Renee one-sided, and maybe play it out like Bill/Michelle in S4? That could add a twist, because the actors are being awfully coy about whether Renee is a love interest or not for Jack.
Also, is it true that they actually filmed all the episodes of the season before the first one even aired? Because if so, that makes me feel a little bit better and gives me hope that this season is going to hopefully as cohesive as S1. So far, it's still firing on all cylinders, and I'm really glad that I've stayed mostly spoiler-free this season. I knew that Tony was back, that CTU was no more, and that they were basing it in DC (kinda hard to avoid, when they're shooting in your city). And I stumbled upon that casting spoiler in the video in this post. Beyond that though, I stayed away as much as possible, so it's making the ride pretty awesome to speculate again. Especially if the end is already written, filmed and in the can.
On a final note: have you seen this? The 24-hour News Cycle if 24 were real (http://www.collegehumor.com/article:1768810)
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Aw, sorry, some things don't go away. Plus my friend's been revisiting it.
She also shoots like Michelle! Lets give credit here. Yes, the only slight problem is her age, which wouldn't be a problem if the 24verse wasn't like ten years in the future. I can't tell if it's one sided or not, I know she *trusts* him, which means uh, something. Probably.
YES! Everything's filmed. It's all donoe. They took a year to make it so there could be some interesting stuff comin' up. Did you get to see any filming? I got spoiled for parts of the first four or five eps, but I'm pretty much in the dark for most of the rest of it. Okay, I do know one or two things about returning person, but i'm vaguely focused.
Hee! I love this I just read: http://thejacksack.com/2009/02/24-poker-night.html
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Yeah the age thing throws me. How old is Renee supposed to be? I know AW is about 5 years older than Elisha Cuthbert, but she could be playing Renee older the way Reiko did. Carlos and Reiko were 10 years apart in age, which is about the age difference between Kiefer and Annie.
Sadly, no I didn't get to see any filming because at the time I was writing my thesis. Also, I am a huge spoiler phobe and wouldn't want to get spoiled anyway. My friend, however, did get a chance to meet Kiefer since she was his waitress. Of course, she didn't know who he was at the time (she's not into TV, she's more into international development) so it didn't really register. Apparently he's a pretty good tipper.
Also, that link? AWESOME.